Seth Williams is an entrepreneur with a ardour for land investing.
After he received a number of years of expertise underneath his belt, he determined the time had come to share his experience, so he created his web site, REtipster.
He went on to create some digital merchandise, together with a course, to diversify his revenue. He peaked at $60k in a single month, however he usually brings dwelling $20k-30k a month.
On this interview, he talks about constructing his model and creating his course and podcast, however maybe most significantly he talks about main with worth and giving precedence to creating nice content material that helps folks.
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Seth Williams begins by sharing his backstory and speaking about how he initially received into actual property investing and land investing.
After his preliminary success, he determined to launch a weblog, REtipster, and with it, a model.
He shares the story behind his first digital merchandise and what led him to ultimately create what was most likely the primary on-line course in land investing.
Seth talks about diversifying his enterprise in addition to the challenges of staying on high of one of the best strategies in an business that’s always altering.
He shares what he thinks it takes to achieve success within the business at the moment, which is completely totally different from what it regarded like when he began.
He then shares extra about his model, from the weblog to the podcast, his metrics, and the kind of content material he creates.
Seth additionally talks in regards to the shocking factor that occurred when he misplaced 40% of his visitors in a single day.
He shares how he knew it was a good suggestion to create and market his land investing course and, importantly, how he determined to cost it.
He additionally shares recommendation for different folks desirous about creating their very own course, alongside together with his plans for the long run.
Matters Seth Williams Covers
- Actual property/land investing
- Beginning his weblog
- Creating digital merchandise
- Utilizing social media to develop his model
- Creating and advertising and marketing his course
- Deciding on the worth of his course
- Find out how to create your personal course
- His plans going ahead
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Transcription
Jared: All proper. Welcome again to the area of interest pursuits podcast. My title is Jared Bauman. At this time, we’re joined by Seth Williams with retipster. com. Seth, welcome on board. Hey, Jared. Good to be right here. Thanks for having me. Uh, very excited for at the moment. We’re speaking about your web site, however actually you are in type of your whole model.
It is origin tales all the best way to the place it is at at the moment, how you’ve got grown it. And, um, as I instructed you earlier than we began recording, I am simply Excited to knuckle down on actual property stuff. I like actual property as a subject. I do know that is only a private factor on my half, however that is simply, um, I am very excited for at the moment for that cause too.
Um, you recognize, earlier than we get into all the main points about REtipster, how you’ve got grown at what you are doing, that is profitable, are you able to give us some backstory on who you’re and the way you, what you have been doing earlier than you landed on this?
Seth: Yeah, positive. Yeah. So for me, I suppose possibly I will begin with actual property after which how that ultimately led into REtipster.
So it was again in 2006 ish after I was in faculty and I learn the guide, Wealthy Dad, Poor Dad. Yeah. Yeah. He is speaking all about actual property in that guide and the way that is like, you recognize, one of many paths to wealth. However he did not actually clarify any specifics of like what precisely to do. He simply type of talked about actual property.
So, um, however I used to be, my thoughts was blown by that guide as many individuals have most likely skilled that. Um, and you recognize, I am in faculty, I am about to graduate. And I noticed like, possibly I haven’t got to get a job like everyone else does. Perhaps I can do that actual property factor. So, the subsequent couple of years, I spent a whole lot of hours looking for offers on homes that I may purchase and flip or lease out.
And, uh, Complete waste of time. I could not discover something that even got here near a deal. The numbers simply by no means labored, like not by an extended shot. And, uh, a part of my drawback was, uh, I used to be trying the place everyone else was trying. What I wanted to do was, uh, discover those who owned actual property, however they did not have a primary sale signal of their yard.
And make them a proposal off market. And particularly if I may discover extremely motivated sellers, individuals who had some type of drawback and I needed to do away with it. So I discovered how to try this in 2008, 2009. And particularly, I began doing this with vacant land, which at first, um, you recognize, most individuals, together with myself would possibly hear vacant land, like, what, why would you try this?
That is unnecessary. Like, how does that generate profits? Only a piece of dust there. However the cause it made sense was as a result of I used to be making very, very, very low affords to folks, like 20 % of the property’s market worth. And if you make affords that low on something that has tangible worth, it is fairly simple to generate profits on that factor.
You simply listing it for a worth that is nearer to its precise market worth when you personal it after which Promote it that means. And, um, as a result of it was simply land, I did not have to love take care of tenants or any of that stuff. So, land was actually the very first thing I ever discovered success in as an actual property investor. And after a number of years of doing that, I noticed, you recognize, I type of, I type of have like a great psychological library of data now about how to do that.
And it was round that point that I got here throughout Pat Flynn at smartpassiveincome. com. And I noticed what he was doing for his viewers. And I used to be identical to, holy cow, like, I like how I by no means really feel like I am being offered on something and but I am getting a ton of worth. And I additionally love how he is making a ton of cash when it does not look like he is ever promoting something.
And I used to be identical to, I may completely try this, however for what I do know in the true property house. So in 2012, I began retipster. com and it was completely an experiment. I simply began writing weblog posts and ultimately I began making YouTube movies. Thanks guys. Simply explaining what I knew with no ask, simply serving to, and that was it.
And it wasn’t lengthy till, uh, what do you name it, lengthy, but it surely was most likely like six or eight months, uh, when it actually began to choose up steam when it comes to like folks regularly coming again to it and fascinating with the content material and, you recognize, Um, it was round that point that I made my first product on the market.
It was my postcard templates that I might mail out to, uh, property house owners to ask in the event that they needed to promote their property. It is type of just like the catalyst that will begin each deal going. And I put it on my web site for 7. You should purchase the identical postcard templates that I exploit and that I’ve gotten a whole lot of success with.
And I offered my first bundle that day for 7. And I used to be like, holy cow, anyone truly simply gave me cash for this. That is loopy. And I began making extra of these sorts of issues, identical to belongings that I utilized in my enterprise and placing them on there. Ultimately, I began growing the worth of these issues they usually stored promoting.
Um, and. Ultimately, I made a course, like an entire A to Z land investing course explaining every thing. This was in 2015 that included all of these belongings that I created and movies and all these items. Um, and that went by way of an fascinating evolution. Initially, I began attempting to promote it as like a month-to-month membership for like 45 bucks a month.
And I noticed after a few 12 months of doing that, that was not the suitable strategy to do it at that time limit, as a result of folks would, very routinely simply join a number of months after which get out of there and by no means come again. Um, it wasn’t like a software program product the place folks wanted to make use of it regularly.
It is extra like, okay, I, I received what I want. I am gone now. So, uh, a few 12 months or so later, I modified it to extra of like a one time price to get in. Um, I believe it was initially 1200 bucks. I do not keep in mind what the unique worth was. Uh, at present it is 24. 97 to get in. Um, and yeah, it is, uh, traditionally has offered fairly properly.
Though this 12 months I will say, uh, has most likely been the worst 12 months I’ve had shortly. Simply when it comes to, there’s a whole lot of, uh, different rivals within the house now that weren’t there earlier than. And, uh, I do not know. Uh, YouTube has modified. Google has modified. Actual property has modified. Yeah. Actual property has modified loads.
Yeah. That is, that is an enormous one too. Um, so a whole lot of stuff has modified. I do not actually know what to make of it or methods to like repair it or methods to, uh, get again to equilibrium, no matter that appears like. One thing’s received to alter, however, um. Yeah, so this has been the primary 12 months in a number of years that like, I am simply attempting to determine what the brand new regular is.
And, uh, it is type of bizarre, like I will have a great month after which a horrible month and a great month and a horrible, whereas it used to simply be constantly good on a regular basis. Um, so, however, and I’ll say that is simply, uh, that is simply the core aspect of issues that most likely makes up like half of the income for REtipster.
The opposite half is like varied affiliate promotions we do, or like advert house that we promote on podcasts or any. Particular promotions and that type of factor. So, fortunately, not all of our eggs are within the course basket, however a number of of them are. Um, and we have a lot of totally different programs, however the Land Investing Masterclass, uh, landinvestingmasterclass.
com, that is type of like the large flagship course that has traditionally offered probably the most. So, the opposite programs are type of, uh, I do not know why. I believe they’re truly actually good, however they’re simply, they do not have as very like steam behind them. I have never been speaking about them as a lot for as lengthy. So, um, However yeah, however general, it has been an superior enterprise.
I like being a content material creator. Like I genuinely can’t wait to get began at work day-after-day. It is one thing that I, it would be exhausting to think about a greater strategy to spend my life and my working time as a result of I simply, my mind works very well with that. Um, and I might say if something is sort of a battle or has been a constant battle over time, It has been attempting to stability, okay, how do I stay an energetic land investor whereas additionally spending a lot time making all this content material?
As a result of each issues are very time consuming and I do not know what it is doable to do an superior job at each issues. Even when you’ve got groups engaged on each companies, it nonetheless requires consideration and administration of these groups. So, that is type of been like, One of many frequent challenges I’ve had, and I believe anyone can most likely relate to that in the event that they’re attempting to, uh, educate about one thing that is not running a blog, as a result of you must like develop your personal experience on this completely unrelated factor after which, you recognize, work out methods to have the experience of explaining that to folks.
So, however yeah, I do know there’s loads I simply threw at you there, however, uh, Effectively, nice Baxter.
Jared: I imply, you are in good arms right here for those who’re attempting to determine the brand new norm as a result of we’re all attempting to determine that out as properly. So we speak about that each week on the information podcast and it bleeds its means over into all of the interviews like 2024 and past going to be some new norms there.
I believe I will simply say, and I do know we’ll get into this loads as a result of it is on our agenda, however you are attempting to determine new norm volatility fluctuations. However since you’ve diversified and have totally different streams of income from this model, it’s impacting you, but it surely’s not like a deadly affect or it isn’t as essential path.
And so, you recognize, that is one thing we speak loads about on the podcast of late is, is that diversification and having folks on such as you who’ve executed that. So. And, um, yeah, no, your backstory is superior. I do have a few questions. I imply, you listed off all of the favorites. I imply, I really feel like, you recognize, we received wealthy dad, Porta, we received sensible, passive revenue, and I am, I imply, all we’d like is a 4 hour, all we’d like is a 4 hour work week reference and we might have like fully trifecta there, you recognize?
Um, You already know, you, you, you touched on a bit. 2006 is if you received began in doing offers. 2012 is if you began the web site. Now I do not need to go an excessive amount of into historical past there, however how a lot does what’s taking place in the true property business? How a lot has that impacted your success in your on-line world?
As a result of we, Throughout that 2006, 2012 time interval. That is once we had actual property fully flip itself on its head. And I believe lots of people are possibly going by way of that as properly. In the event that they’re, you recognize, um, if they’ve a model about X and X has volatility in it, how do, how did you develop that by way of the volatility of the true property business?
Seth: Yeah. Yeah. It is an important query. I am positive there’s a crossover when it comes to one factor impacts the opposite factor. Um, It is exhausting to say how direct that affect is or like how lengthy it takes for what’s taking place in the true property market to ultimately bleed over into just like the training aspect of issues. Um, I do not suppose it occurs like immediately.
There’s not less than like a lot of months or possibly even years in there when it comes to that type of factor. However, um, however yeah, for instance, like After I began the weblog in 2012, actually since I began investing in actual property in any respect, I began in 2009, which was identical to the worst of the worst occasions. Proper. And ever since then, it has been simply type of going up and up and up and up.
After which when 2020 hit, that was like, for everyone, clearly, it was a really loopy 12 months. However, um, initially I believed, oh no, like actual property goes to be, In actually dangerous form, but it surely ended up turning into like an enormous increase and that features the land investing house. Lots of people are entering into land round that point.
And issues type of took off. And I believe in correlation to that, there have been lots of people who like, uh, have been attempting to eat content material about land. And I had most likely probably the most content material of anyone on the web at that time limit. Um, and it was additionally throughout that point that, uh, most likely like 2020 or 2021, that type of period.
That is when. new land, land investing educators got here into it as a result of they’d been doing it for a few 12 months or so and had some success in it. And so they’re like, Hey, I will throw my hat on this too. Um, and it simply turned much more fashionable to speak about. And, um, and I believe, yeah, like, like, as I am 2024, um, I imply, issues are positively getting tougher, however like that is, I may have stated that for the previous two to a few years simply.
It has been constantly getting tougher 12 months by 12 months to do all of these items actually. And after I say tougher, I simply imply prefer it’s much more aggressive for all actual property buyers land included to seek out offers utilizing the identical outdated advertising and marketing strategies. So principally what meaning is that for me as an educator, I’ve to remain on high of that and work out, okay, so if it will be tougher to do it the identical outdated means, what are some new methods we will do that?
Thanks. Or what ought to your expectations be now? Like, um, you recognize, 10 years in the past, you would have despatched out 500 postcards and had not less than one deal out of that. At this time, it is extra such as you higher be sending not less than 3, 000 to five, 000 of these to get one deal. Perhaps you may get that deal. So it is simply, uh, it is about like setting expectations and being conscious of that and going again to outdated historic content material and like altering it.
Like if it stated that I do not need anyone to learn. Some eight 12 months outdated weblog submit. I believe that is nonetheless true at the moment. Um, in order that’s been one other large problem as a educator is like, uh, staying on high of this. And I might say like month to month, it is altering. It isn’t like, yeah, we’ll change this yearly. It is like, no, no, like that actually labored final month and it does not work as properly this month.
In order that’s been a tough factor. Uh, I believe not, not an unimaginable factor, however simply time consuming when it comes to like, you recognize, being conscious of the issues which can be altering after which retroactively going to all these locations and ensuring that is saying the proper factor now and figuring out that even that’s going to alter most likely within the subsequent six months.
So, um, yeah, that took you a query. I, I believe there may be, um, affect when it comes to like, when it is tougher to do that enterprise, that implies that fewer individuals are going to get into it and keep in it. Um, it does not imply it isn’t doable. It simply means like I used to say this was one thing anyone can do. And I do not know if I might say that anymore.
It is like, no, you type of must have a sure stage of intelligence and wherewithal and stick with itiveness, otherwise you’re most likely not going to make it. And it is also about attempting to be clear about that too and serving to folks perceive like, Okay. very a lot. Should you’re not the kind of one that has resilience, like for those who do one mail marketing campaign or textual content marketing campaign or no matter you are doing and if it does not work and you are going to give up, like if that is you, then simply save your self the difficulty and do not do that.
So, yeah.
Jared: Why do not you give us a bit little bit of context for everyone listening when it comes to what the model consists of proper now. I imply, I do know making ready, I used to be your YouTube channel, you bought a podcast episodes in on that, numerous movies, your web site ranks for, for um, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A number of tens of 1000’s of key phrases with tons of content material on there.
After which for those who may something simply on, um, you recognize, possibly some month-to-month metrics or something you are snug sharing when it comes to income or one thing, simply to present you an concept of the scope of what you constructed up during the last, I imply, geez, I suppose nearly 15, 20 years now.
Seth: Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, the REtipster model, it is actually, um, it consists of the stuff that I am desirous about in the end, like if, if I believe it is price speaking about or if it is some enterprise that I need to get into or that I’ve been doing, then it belongs on the location as a result of I do not write all of the content material, however I’ve most likely written like 90 % of it, um, or not directly had a whole lot of affect on what content material goes on there.
Okay. And, uh, if it is about one thing, I do not know, some obscure factor or simply something that like, I haven’t got a ardour for, then like the eagerness just isn’t going to return by way of and or the information is not going to be there as a result of I do not know something about it. Um, and apparently, so a whole lot of just like the mainstream stuff that most individuals take into consideration with actual property, like shopping for homes or residence buildings and that type of factor.
In order that’s coated very well by BiggerPockets. They’re nice at, uh, you recognize, if folks aren’t acquainted, that is simply, it is an enormous behemoth, greatest web site on the web for actual property buyers. They’ve executed an important job of catering to the stuff that most individuals are on the market on the lookout for. Uh, REtipster is extra centered on type of the nichey stuff that, uh, that actually does want much more specialised information to do it the suitable means.
Like for instance, the best way that you’d go after a land deal, the dialog you’ll have with that vendor could be very totally different than the way you do that for a home. And for those who’re attempting to take the home, and apply that to land. A few of it will be true, however you are going to miss some stuff as a result of there’s simply oddities about land that you do not have to take care of in the home world.
So, Um, I attempted to essentially, um, clarify these items in order that anyone with an eighth grade training may perceive it. And fortunately, I am truly a fairly sluggish learner, prefer it takes me some time to determine issues out. I often must be instructed one thing thrice for it to stay. Perhaps it’s going to stick. So given how sluggish I’m, it, uh, it is truly lent itself properly to with the ability to clarify difficult issues to anyone as a result of.
To ensure that me to get it, most different folks will get it too. And that form of comes by way of. Um, so yeah, however, uh, when it comes to the model, so land investing, self storage is one other factor that I have been making extra content material about as a result of I’ve gotten into that enterprise. Um, different issues like I used to personal, uh, duplexes and that type of factor.
So I’ve some expertise and stuff I can speak about on that entrance. And in addition, I at all times type of like staying updated on just like the tech in the true property world, just like the web sites which can be most useful, software program that is actually useful for folks. A few of these issues have affiliate alternatives the place I can promote them and earn some income from that as properly.
So I am at all times looking for that type of stuff. And in addition a whole lot of the issues that I speak about does not simply apply to actual property. Like several working skilled can use these items. And I attempt to clarify it in such a means that like, I am not particularly calling out land buyers with every thing I say, like they’ll get it.
However different folks can get it too. Like for instance, uh, like Mercury, Mercury, it is like a on-line banking service or relay. Like these are issues any small enterprise proprietor can profit from. So I would like them to have the ability to discover that on YouTube and With these sorts of issues the place I do know it applies to different circles, I do not need to like pigeonhole simply land buyers on that stuff.
If it is one thing that solely land buyers want, then I will say that. However, you recognize, I attempt to simply strategically do issues that lots of people can use. Um, and when it comes to like metrics and that type of factor. So, uh, There was a time years in the past once we received a whole lot of visitors, not less than loads by my requirements, however possibly not everyone’s, but it surely was like a few hundred thousand guests per 30 days.
And I do not know what occurred, however in, I believe it was 2019 in July or one thing like that, in that timeframe, impulsively we misplaced like 40 % of our visitors in a single day. And, uh, apparently at first, when this occurred, I used to be type of like panicking, like, oh no, like what, what did I do improper? Did I mess one thing up?
Um, however as time went on, I discovered that it had. Completely no correlation with our income, like income did not drop in any respect. So it was like, it was type of identical to an arrogance metric that was making me really feel good, but it surely did not actually matter. And in hindsight, I suppose that is type of comforting to know that visitors is not every thing.
I imply, it is good to see, however, um, so, however that was type of only a bizarre, Uh, I suppose up till that time, my weblog had simply been rising 12 months over 12 months over 12 months, identical to going up and up and up. And in my thoughts, it was like, that is going to go eternally. Like sometime I will have hundreds of thousands of individuals visiting and possibly tens of hundreds of thousands.
However that was one in all these, uh, you recognize, harsh actuality moments of like, nope, sorry, it isn’t going to occur except you essentially change loads, which I nonetheless do not even know what that will be. It is simply not ever going to be that type of web site. Um, after which, uh, because the COVID actual property increase and the land investing increase occurred in 2020 and past.
Um, you recognize, most likely probably the most I’ve ever made in a month from all of the stuff mixed is about that 60 grand, uh, quantity. And today, like in 2024, a great month is extra like 20 grand. So it is come down fairly a bit. Um, I might say like a mean month trying over the previous, like 5 years would 30, 30 grand a month from every thing.
Um, And that is a combination after all stuff and affiliate stuff and promoting stuff that we do and different random issues that are available in. And, uh, you recognize, I used to be watching truly simply earlier than we received on this name, uh, A YouTube video on the Area of interest Pursuits YouTube channel speaking about, you recognize, the ups and the downs and the rollercoaster.
And I can completely relate to that. Um, I believe the great factor about what I’ve tried to construct is that the revenue does come from many various sources. So like after I undergo a time the place the core gross sales simply cease, prefer it’s not the top of the world. Um, as a result of there’s, you recognize, loads of like affiliate revenue coming in and that type of factor.
However, uh, I suppose now greater than ever although, it is type of underscored like, that is a good suggestion, Seth, preserve doing that. Like preserve, preserve, preserve getting stuff from different locations that aren’t your course. Since you by no means know when like, Curiosity is simply going to go away or, I imply, it is like something, any of those sources of revenue can disappear for unexpected causes.
And that is most likely true for affiliate stuff too. I imply, there’s sure nice affiliate partnerships that might simply disappear in a single day as properly. However the extra various things you may have. And, uh, the much less, just like the smaller these items of the pie will be, in my thoughts, that is type of a great factor.
Jared: I am so glad you went by way of all that as a result of it most likely for everybody listening, or not less than most individuals listening, there’s one thing in that timeline and in that story arc that touches on one thing everyone’s feeling.
I, I, I need to drill in on a few stuff you stated. I will begin with this. There’s a few stuff you stated that I wrote down in my notes and I need to drill it down on. Yeah. Certainly one of them is. Should you did not discover a downturn in income, if you had a downturn in visitors, what was, what, what income sources had you constructed as much as that time?
Like, have been you in a position to determine like, Oh, my visitors plummeted, i. e. lots of people are pondering that proper now who’re listening to podcasts with all of the Google modifications which have occurred just lately, like my visitors plummeted, however my income did not, what sources of visitors have been producing your income that you just weren’t conscious of at the moment?
Seth: That is an important query. I’ve, I am doing a a lot better job at the moment of monitoring all that stuff. Again then I, it was principally simply, what does Google analytics inform me? Which wasn’t that detailed actually. Um, however I believe, uh,
Jared: Like, properly, income does not drop, so let’s not contact a great factor whereas now we have it.
Seth: Type of.
Yeah. However, uh, um, so I believe a part of what was occurring there. was that again then a bigger share of the revenue was coming from course gross sales. And for that, for the land investing masterclass, I believe on the time again then, it was promoting for possibly 2, 000 ish bucks or someplace in that worth vary. And anyone who’s going to spend that type of cash, like they type of have to be fairly positive about what, what they’re doing.
Like they should.
Jared: They are not a random high of the funnel, Google visitors type of supply. Yeah.
Seth: They do not randomly uncover me after which purchase it that day. It is extra like, okay, that is fairly cool. I will comply with alongside. And possibly a few months later, possibly they’re going to do it. Um, and so. I believe simply because that intent is there, like if anyone’s going to purchase it, there needs to be a whole lot of intent to try this.
It isn’t an impulse purchase. Um, whereas a whole lot of the visitors I believe I misplaced was type of identical to visitors that possibly ought to have by no means come to my web site within the first place. Prefer it wasn’t that focused of visitors. If something, Google was most likely simply fixing one thing when it comes to like, yeah, we need to be certain these folks do not waste time with you as a result of that is probably not what they’re on the lookout for.
They want one thing else. I do not know. However, um, so possibly there’s a few of that occurring, but additionally. YouTube had turn out to be, and it nonetheless is, a fairly essential a part of my enterprise when it comes to, like a whole lot of these affiliate gross sales that occur, they by no means even make it to my weblog. They only watch the YouTube video.
They click on the hyperlink within the description and there you go. And I at all times embrace hyperlinks to the weblog posts and related stuff within the description, however that does not imply they’re ever going to truly present up as visitors to my essential website. That is one thing I’ve most likely not executed one of the best job of is like together with good calls to motion in these movies to enroll in my e-mail listing and like truly retain these folks.
Lots of people most likely simply come and go. Um, and possibly they could purchase one thing, however um, I most likely would have benefited if I had earlier on made a much bigger deal. Like, Hey, do not simply subscribe right here. Do not identical to it, like join this factor as a result of it is going that will help you loads. That type of factor. And I am probably not a lot of an enormous Instagram man.
I’ve received an account there, however I simply, I do not spend a whole lot of time on that platform. Fb, for no matter cause, is a fairly big deal for my viewers, for land buyers particularly. Um, I’ve a Fb group or a few extra, a whole lot of exercise occurs there too. In order that’s additionally been a fairly good alternative to advertise stuff.
I’ve a discussion board as properly, uh, by way of retipster. com. We just lately simply migrated all of the software program to discourse, um, which I like that software program much more than what we have been utilizing, however our discussion board visitors, I do not know what occurred precisely, but it surely type of dropped off loads. I believe what, what occurred there may be once we migrated every thing.
All the customers must reset their password to get again in and never everyone understands that. So, it simply type of like put this large roadblock in entrance of individuals. So, I suppose that is one other factor, if anyone on the market has a discussion board or needs to start out a discussion board, to the extent which you can, attempt to by no means migrate away from that as a result of it is an enormous ache to do it.
I can solely think about.
Jared: Um, let’s speak about this course, uh, or possibly going all the best way again in historical past. When did you transition from having a web site and a weblog? Into having a course and what was the impetus? Like what have been the indicators that you just have been ? And once more, I, I really feel like lots of people find out about programs, however do not essentially take a look at their model as one thing that, that they will make a course from or they will promote.
And you’ve got clearly executed an excellent job. We’ll speak about worth factors in a bit bit. I’ve some questions on that as properly, however how do you know that was a transition that, um, that you must take and make the most of and, you recognize, possibly speak us by way of the early days of constructing the course and the way you marketed it.
Seth: Yeah. Um, so. I believe the sunshine bulb second occurred when a buddy of mine who had been following my weblog since I began it, he identical to, Seth, you bought to make a course. Effectively, you are loopy for not having one already. And, uh, and he was type of proper. Like there was a whole lot of, I principally had all of the content material for the course on the weblog.
It simply wasn’t organized that properly. It was only a matter of determining what platform to have this on after which placing it in the suitable order, including content material the place it wanted to be added, uh, simply giving folks like that is every thing you want proper right here. There you go. Um, and so. Type of, form of that. And in addition different folks within the viewers had been asking particularly for one thing like that.
And it was a extremely fascinating discovery to know that, uh, for probably the most half, like, Individuals pays for stuff that is already free in your weblog. They only need it organized. And, um, that was type of fascinating. And even to today, that is type of how a whole lot of our programs work is the origin of the content material within the course is from one thing on the weblog.
So, we’d do one thing to love sweeten it a bit bit, like possibly add a video the place there is not one on the weblog or one thing, however, um, or possibly like the place there may be usually a paid obtain on the weblog, you simply put that within the course without spending a dime. So, prefer it, They will get it if they only go to the course and that type of factor.
Um, however yeah, it was actually simply folks from the viewers telling me to do it. And, uh, on the time there have been, uh, solely two different land investing programs in existence. After which, uh, I truly, apparently, launched mine the very same day as one other educator. So then there have been 4 in the marketplace for some time.
After which after 2020, I believe there’s like 30 of them on the market now, there’s tons of individuals attempting to do that. So it is gotten very, very crowded, which has made it loads tougher to be heard than it was once earlier than. Like I used to have the ability to make a video about land investing and like, Just about everyone would see it.
And now it is like, eh, possibly 20 % of individuals would possibly see it, possibly. Um, in order that’s been type of a problem I am attempting to determine as properly. However, uh, um, however when it comes to like advertising and marketing the factor, so I actually do not know if I might take recommendation from me on that. I believe I did a fairly dangerous job of it, however even then, prefer it nonetheless labored, despite the fact that I did a foul job of it.
Um, and there is a part of that
Jared: too, to be clear, like simply doing it and placing it on the market. And even for those who do a foul job on it, not saying it at all times goes that means, however in your case, or not less than the best way you describe it, it nonetheless labored very well.
Seth: Yeah. Yeah. And I believe a part of why it labored was as a result of on the time, there wasn’t a ton of competitors on this house for this factor.
The the general public that purchased it, like they received to know me very well. Like, I did not even, they did not even know I had a course till they like adopted alongside for some time and realized, Oh, Seth’s received a course, possibly I will do it. Um, however I’ve heard suggestions now years later from those who they have been like, man, Seth, I want I might’ve recognized you had this course, however like, you did not say something about it anyplace.
Prefer it wasn’t, it was exhausting to seek out the place this factor even was. Um, so I’ve since mounted that, I believe, type of, um, however I believe I simply had a whole lot of, um, type of this artist’s curse of like, I do not need to promote out. I do not need to be anyone who’s at all times, you recognize, attempting to pitch folks on stuff. And I believe I did not notice like.
Quite a lot of occasions if you pitch folks on stuff, most individuals aren’t even gonna see that ‘trigger they are not paying consideration at that second. If you stated that factor, like for those who really need folks to find out about it, you gotta go nuts. Like hit ’em on each channel a number of occasions, and even then they’re going to nonetheless most likely miss it and it would annoy some folks, but it surely’s like no matter.
You already know, apparently they weren’t tremendous followers they usually weren’t like, you recognize, they did not love what you have been doing within the first place. So, um, that is one thing that, uh. And even with all these, uh, totally different social media channels on the market, like I nonetheless type of battle with like, am I hitting everyone? Like did I submit this within the Fb teams and like YouTube neighborhood and on Twitter and on LinkedIn and on Instagram and on identical to factor after factor after factor, it is actually exhausting to love get it in every single place after which do it a number of occasions in every single place.
I haven’t got that mastered nonetheless, however. After which, you recognize, I believe a whole lot of the, uh, the opposite folks on this house now, a part of what’s my idea anyway, a part of what’s making it tougher is that, uh, They form of come from, uh, just like the e commerce world or they’re, they have been educators in different, uh, uh, actual property niches that have been much more aggressive they usually actually perceive Fb and, uh, Google adverts they usually do it they usually spend some huge cash on it.
And I do not do it in any respect as a result of traditionally I’ve relied on simply natural search and it is labored for me, but it surely’s working much less now than it ever has earlier than. Ed. You already know, I used to be simply trying on Google this morning. Um, my, my course ranks fairly excessive up there. Like, I believe it is like a quantity two natural search outcome, however there’s like, you bought to scroll by way of all these adverts, even to see that stuff.
And most of the people most likely aren’t going to do it. So, and that is type of idea. I do not essentially know that, however I do know that it did not used to, it did not used to seem like that. Like years in the past, there have been no adverts, land investing programs and that type of factor. So, um, it is simply type of a special surroundings now.
And I am nonetheless attempting to determine methods to make it work. Yeah. How did you land on the worth level?
Jared: Trigger it is, um, properly, it isn’t that it is tremendous excessive, however I might say that it is in a category of like very superior stage, um, course pricing. Is that as a result of that is what the market bears? Is that as a result of it is like 190 chapters?
Is that as a result of. The deal measurement and funding measurement is so large that it substantiates a course that that is costly. I am simply curious how you’ve got landed on that, how you’ve got tweaked it, you recognize, trigger course pricing is a science in and of itself.
Seth: Yeah, no, for positive. It truly is. I nonetheless do not know that I am one hundred percent assured, even within the present worth, to be trustworthy with you.
Trigger I do know there are, uh, there’s folks on the market promoting programs that I do know I have been by way of them. I do know they’re, you recognize, Not half pretty much as good. And so they’re charging like 5, 000 for them. It is a bizarre factor. And there is different people who find themselves freely giving their course without spending a dime. And that is one other fascinating factor as a result of if anyone sees two land investing programs, one’s free, one is 2, 500, why would they not do the free one?
I imply, even when the worth is like, if the standard is totally totally different, they are not going to know. Why would they roll the cube on 2, 500 to seek out out? So, I believe that type of factor has made it tougher as properly. Um, so again after I first began making this course factor, like I discussed, I, I attempted to do that month-to-month subscription mannequin, which I discovered did not make sense in any respect.
And it was tremendous annoying as a result of, as a result of at the same time as I imply, it was a laughably low cost worth that I used to be asking for it and folks would, you recognize, miss funds on a regular basis, received to comply with up with them. And it is identical to, come on, it isn’t exhausting folks. So, um, we stopped doing that and adjusted it to, to a annual subscription.
And that most likely labored even worse when it comes to folks persevering with to pay. However, um, once we modified it to that, I believe that was when it was, gosh, what is the worth? Like 1, 184, some random, uh, annual subscription quantity. And that was an analogous challenge although, the place as soon as the second 12 months got here up, folks would love disappear and ghost us they usually would not pay and that type of factor.
In order that was after I was like, okay, overlook this. Uh, I see these different land educators are charging about 2, 000 for his or her course as a one time cost. Let’s try this. It is working for them. I will strive it right here.
Jared: Yeah.
Seth: And, uh, and even at the moment, like if I have been to alter the worth, I might positively take a look at like different land programs and see like, what are they doing?
What’s working for them? And that will, it will play not less than some position in me deciding what it will be. And, um, yeah, I’ve tried different stuff with like, uh, like webinar, uh, promotions the place we, I bundle all of our programs for like, it finally ends up being like, uh, 4, 000 or 3, 997 for all of the programs. However it’s cheaper than for those who have been to purchase all of them individually, that type of factor.
So that you type of have this worth stack that you just do. And, um, that is labored to some extent. Um, however I do not suppose I have been doing it for lengthy sufficient to essentially know for positive. However that is one other technique you would strive.
Jared: I do not need to learn too far into it, however in making ready for at the moment, I used to be in your web site, poking round, homepage, about web page, entering into among the content material.
I might say that it feels such as you’re positively funneling folks Into your e-newsletter and a whole lot of your free content material. After which the course should get pitched in a while. Trigger I did not see a lot in regards to the course. No, that is
Seth: nice suggestions.
Jared: Effectively, I do not know. Is that like, I am simply curious. Is that strategic?
As a result of funneling is an enormous deal and you have talked a lot about how. Nobody’s going to land in your web site and purchase a 2, 000, 3, 000, 4, 000 course out of the gate. And it makes a lot sense to me as I perused your web site in preparation for at the moment. I am like, I did not see a lot about this costly course. I noticed a whole lot of stuff about methods to get data proper now.
That is going to assist at the moment. That is type of free and worth add. Is there a whole lot of funneling that goes into it? Are you creating e-mail funnels and, um, and, and, and, uh, purchaser funnels on your course or what’s been one of the best course of for you as you’ve got grown this over time?
Seth: Yeah, that is an important query. And I admire the suggestions.
That is, that is good to listen to. Um, so yeah, for the longest time, uh, what I might do is I simply had a, a bit WordPress widget that confirmed up on the finish of each single weblog submit that was principally an advert for the land investing masterclass. And other people would uncover it that means. There’s additionally a, a retailer, a button in our navigation bar the place you’ll find all our programs there.
Um, and I’ve additionally received like a few random, uh, autoresponder emails or, you recognize, uh, auto, what do you name it? After they subscribe they usually get a sequence of like 25 emails for a 12 months or one thing like that. However a few of these emails point out it, however in any other case that is type of it. Uh, I’ve additionally received, I suppose, some random, uh, podcast pre roll adverts which have aired previously that type of point out it.
So, however to your level, I imply, I may most likely do a greater job of identical to mentioning it extra or giving it higher, uh, airplay. The opposite stuff that I am doing now, which I ought to most likely reevaluate it as a result of I do know not less than one in all them is not working that properly, is as a substitute of simply sending them on to the touchdown web page for the Land Investing Masterclass, one in all these items goes to a webinar the place they see all about it and you recognize, that type of factor.
And that has had type of blended outcomes. It hasn’t labored in addition to I believed it will have. Uh, the opposite one is a, it is a free 5 day e-mail course the place they will type of study extra about it and type of overcomes objections and that type of factor. And, uh, I have never regarded on the stats intently sufficient to know the way properly that is working, if in any respect.
Um, however yeah, that is a great, a great level although. I’ve received to revisit that to determine, is that working? I set each of them up lower than a 12 months in the past, so I simply need to see if I received a verify in. No, and it is much less
Jared: of a remark and extra of a chance to love, um, study from you about excessive finish, excessive ticket gross sales.
I imply, that is actually what I am drilling down on right here is. It is one factor to launch a course on your content material for two. 97. It is one other factor to launch a course for twenty-four. 97. And there is a lot we will study from you who’ve type of moved your course up in worth all through the years as you’ve got seen what’s working and what’s not.
And, um, I, I do suppose there’s one thing to be stated for what you are echoing. And I do not need to learn too far into it, so inform me if I’m, however like, You actually do come throughout as somebody who leads with worth first and spends extra time within the worth than you do on creating the right funnel or the right touchdown web page or the right metric that backs up the, this, the, that, and there is one thing to be stated for it.
Like, yeah, I am positive you would be doing higher on that. However to your earlier level, there’s solely so many hours of the day which you can give attention to this. You continue to must be an energetic actual property investor to supply that worth. You are specializing in these sorts of issues. I simply suppose there’s an important juxtaposition there that you just’re type of uncovering, like the worth you are offering is your focus over.
a brilliant detailed funnel, possibly.
Seth: Yeah, it is, it is actually true. Um, and I believe like one thing to find out about the true property investing house on-line. Um, and that is type of like harpooned fairly properly by greater pockets over time, however I believe the difficulty existed earlier than them, however they only type of did a extremely good job of making a The mindset, however there is a, uh, type of a, like actual property gurus or educators are nearly seen as dangerous guys.
Like these are people who find themselves like, they are a sham. Like they’re simply attempting to rip-off you out of your cash. And You already know, they’re the enemy type of factor, which not everyone thinks that, however, however there may be that thought on the market. Like, as quickly as you begin providing a course for 2000 bucks, oh, I see, you are a kind of guys.
And like, I do not need to be seen as a kind of guys. And to a fault, to the purpose that it simply most likely misplaced me a ton of cash over time. Uh, I believe that is type of what subconsciously retains me from mentioning it extra is as a result of I do not need to like lead with the gross sales pitch. I need to lead with like, look how I may also help you, you recognize, and do not, do not even give me something.
You do not have to decide in something. It is simply, it is all right here. And, uh, you recognize, on one hand I’ll say like, Quite a lot of the those who I meet, like they’re, I do not imply to love be all narcissistic or something, however like, they love me. Like, prefer it creates these wonderful followers and those who, you recognize, come as much as you and say like, Seth, you modified my life.
So like, I like that simply from an emotional aspect, however like financially, like a whole lot of these folks whose lives I’ve supposedly modified, I’ve made not a penny from them. And on one hand, it is like, I suppose that is, that is advantageous. Alternatively, it is like, man, however like, they, they most likely would have paid me one thing if I had simply executed a greater job of like letting them know that there was a chance to.
So. Um, I haven’t got that discovered on a second, most likely do loads higher at it
Jared: in terms of the podcast that you just began. That is not a channel that lots of people typically suppose to enter YouTube, running a blog. These are possibly extra frequent channels, proper? You speak about Fb, these sorts of channels, what, uh, when did you land on beginning the podcast and why?
And the way do you suppose that has contributed to your general development and model?
Seth: Yeah. In order that was again in 2019 after I began that. And it was much like the course. I simply heard sufficient folks asking for it. And, um, I truly hesitated for some time on this as a result of I am not nice at identical to freestyle speaking on my own for an hour.
Like I, it simply seems like a nightmare to me. Like I want the power from one other particular person within the room to type of preserve it going. So I attempted to do my first handful of episodes with simply me and realized like, that is means too exhausting. I must interview folks. So, I have been doing that for probably the most half, um, and it is truly been superior, like when it comes to.
Um, I did not know that it is like my favourite factor to do essentially. Um, however I do know for positive lots of people, the one factor they may ever hear from me is that if I put it on the podcast, like they won’t watch YouTube. They won’t go to the weblog. If it isn’t on the podcast, they’re by no means going to find out about it.
And that is truly one other type of discovery I made over time is like, for those who really need folks to find out about one thing, like put it in every single place, as a result of some folks give attention to one factor, like possibly it is simply YouTube and nothing else. Um, so there’s that, however, uh, the viewers for our podcast is, I do not know, it is comparatively small.
We used to get most likely two to three, 000 downloads an episode. Now it is extra like 500 per episode. And I believe it is a operate of Once more, there’s much more podcasts on the market now, much more land investing podcasts, that type of factor. Um, however I believe, uh, I did not even know this after I began doing it, however apparently I hear this time and again from folks.
I am fairly good at like, um, actually drilling all the way down to points. Like not simply listening to the reply and shifting on, however like getting a number of layers deep to essentially uncover what is going on on and like what the folks aren’t telling me. So it is type of, I am truly, I do not know for those who’ve ever heard of the Colby evaluation, it is like a persona check you may take.
However after I took that, I discovered I am apparently a really sturdy reality finder. Like I need to actually get all the knowledge out on the desk and never take something without any consideration, not assume something. And that type of comes by way of. It is type of enjoyable for me to essentially perceive every thing about why an individual says and does what they do.
So, however yeah, the podcast, I do not know that it. So it makes a bit bit of cash. Often, I’ll, uh, receives a commission by corporations that need to get to our viewers and can run like pre roll adverts and that type of factor. However apart from that type of factor, I do not know of any immediately monetizable means that it is made me cash.
So, yeah.
Jared: Truthful sufficient. However folks love you and acknowledge you from it.
Seth: Yeah. Yeah, for positive. That is the place one thing
Jared: paid. What do they name it? Receives a commission in hugs and hugs and kisses. Yeah,
Seth: precisely. I will take
Jared: them Hey for folks listening who? is likely to be desirous about Creating a course for his or her viewers What are the large ideas that you’d need to share with them or that you would share with them?
From I imply nearly a decade now of doing it You
Seth: Effectively, uh, one type of mistake I made again within the day was I attempted to create the course on a WordPress website, utilizing a WordPress theme and like plugins to deal with all of the funds and all these items. And it was advantageous. It labored for a few years, however man, it Perhaps it was simply the themes and plugins I used to be utilizing, but it surely was an enormous ache.
It stored like breaking and stuff, and it will load actually sluggish. And some years later, I noticed like, there’s platforms that do that, like they particular like Kajabi or what’s Cartrot. The one I exploit is Kajabi and I have been fairly pleased with it. And after I moved to that, it simplified so many issues for me.
It simply saved me a whole lot of grief that I used to be coping with earlier than. Um, and if you wish to combine any type of a discussion board together with your course, I do know there’s totally different ones on the market, like college, I believe is one which has a extremely good discussion board performance constructed into it. Uh, I believe Kajabi has that now too, though I am not utilizing it.
I am utilizing my public discourse discussion board. Discourse is the open supply software program we’re utilizing, so it is free to make use of and it really works fairly properly. Um, however for those who select to do a discussion board, like do your finest to, Choose the suitable factor from the outset. So you do not have emigrate it as a result of that is an enormous ache and positively messes issues up if you attempt to change that.
Um, and yeah, I imply, type of, as we have talked about right here, like, do not be too bashful about, you recognize, gross sales pitches and promoting and speaking up your stuff as a result of no one else goes to do it for you. I imply, they could, however like, you may’t depend on that. Um, I imply, actually you might want to be your advocate when it comes to letting folks know that it is there and letting them know why it is of their finest curiosity.
Some individuals are going to haven’t any drawback with this, however I apparently have an issue with it even at the moment. Um, however, uh, simply realizing like, this is not nearly like, You are going to be not making as a lot cash. That is about like, folks can get forward in life loads sooner in the event that they find out about your factor. Such as you’re truly hurting them too by not letting them find out about it.
And uh, yeah, that is, it is simply a kind of issues like, uh, it is like a bizarre psychological block that I’ve at all times had. And um, The earlier you may get over that, the higher.
Jared: I hope everybody listening can hear a few of these issues. Trigger I believe lots of people which can be within the areas we’re in are snug hiding behind a keyboard.
Um, and I, I do not imply hiding to, to, to, to, to place, um, fault to it. Prefer it’s, it is uncomfortable to place your self on the market, put your face on a course and inform folks to go purchase it. And that is exhausting. And, however listening to you type of navigate by way of how you’ve got discovered methods to be snug with that. Like that is one thing that just about everyone most likely goes to have that imposter syndrome to some extent of in, in create a course.
And, and we may simply sit right here and speak solely about how a lot to cost for it. And, you recognize, do not do a plugin, do a, do a studying, an LMS platform and, and the ways behind it. However there’s additionally that psychological block that comes with placing your self on the market and needing to beat that with a view to promote the course on an ongoing foundation.
Seth: For positive. Yeah. And it is, uh, yeah, even I, um, placing my face on a video, I would not say it is exhausting essentially, however, uh, it positively takes an additional step to try this. It is loads, it is much more work and discomfort, so to talk, than simply typing stuff out on the weblog. No.
Jared: Daniel Pink has an important guide that I learn some time in the past.
Everybody’s in gross sales or one thing like that. Everybody’s a salesman.
Seth: Yeah.
Jared: Um, it is actually good. Should you’re trying to. Sort of get a guide that will help you on it. Yeah, it sounds correct for positive. Do not get it. Yeah Yeah, it is a actually nice guide. In any case whole aspect notice Um, hey going again to one thing you stated earlier and as we type of begin to convey this factor dwelling you talked about how?
Hey, it is modified dramatically within the final couple of years. There’s a lot extra competitors There’s much less eyeballs and you’re working In direction of attempting new issues. What’s, what does going ahead seem like for you? What are some totally different stuff you need to strive or have already tried and possibly are seeing some successes with so as to add income, to diversify, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Seth: Yeah, no, that is an important query. So yeah, I am truly received a bit notice right here on my pc, simply stuffed with issues to do this 12 months. It is a. Yeah, such as you stated, a few of them have labored, a few of them haven’t. Uh, among the issues I am attempting, I identical to enjoying round with pricing simply to see like, do folks chew if the worth is totally different one way or the other, if there is a cost plan or if it is cheaper or in the event that they get one thing else or.
You already know, that type of factor. Um, you recognize, I do not know that I’ve discovered some like profitable hack that makes it simply all of a sudden work essentially. So I am curious nonetheless out on that. Different issues although are, um, I’ve heard from varied locations that individuals are much less keen to pay for an costly course today as a substitute of what they’re on the lookout for is extra of like teaching assist or like a gaggle teaching format or like software program to make issues extra handy for them.
So, um, I have been attempting to love, uh, nearly like associate with totally different software program corporations, whether or not it is like the next paying affiliate factor or like being an precise half proprietor of the software program firm, if it is a software program I actually consider in. And there is additionally this concept, I’ve tried doing a bit little bit of group teaching this 12 months, which is one thing I traditionally haven’t executed.
And that has labored when it comes to like folks have been keen to pay for that they usually may pay much more for it. However I nonetheless do not know if I like it. Like, it isn’t one thing I. Like need to dive headfirst into it. It is extra of like, okay, if I received to do it, I’ll. However I do not essentially know that that is my most well-liked future.
Um, I’ve additionally been partnering with different coaches in our house. So it is like, I will refer the folks to you and you are able to do the teaching and also you pay me a referral price. That type of factor. So, we’re nonetheless form of assembly that want, however I haven’t got to truly try this work. And so they’re joyful to do it.
Um, different issues are, uh, doing like extra Fb and YouTube stay stream issues the place we’re like doing a presentation after which there’s one thing to promote on the finish. However even when folks do not buy it, they’re nonetheless going to get a pleasant piece of content material from it the place they’re going to study one thing, that type of factor.
I am truly doing a kind of later at the moment. So, we’ll, we’ll see how that goes. Um, so yeah, there’s, and there is Different concepts, I am positive, however these are type of the issues on the fast hit listing that we will give a shot to.
Jared: Effectively, I believe it is actually fascinating to have you ever on the podcast on the time you are in, trigger you’ve got gotten this observe file of success in let’s be trustworthy.
I believe a fairly niched down. Space like actual property investing is large. I might classify actual property basically, however like Particular I suppose actual property’s large actual property investments a distinct segment of that After which land investing might be much more of a distinct segment of of that And you recognize, you’ve got executed very well with it and you have executed it in A wide range of totally different platforms alongside the best way.
So it is, it is, it is actually fascinating to observe that. I believe lots of people have an interest proper now in listening to success tales from making a model that works throughout many platforms to all funnel into its success. And you recognize, it is also humbling to listen to all of the stuff you’re attempting. Trigger I believe lots of people are on the level the place, Hey, let’s strive stuff and let’s have a look at what works and let’s collaborate on what’s working.
Seth: Yeah. And I’ll say it is type of bizarre to suppose this, uh, I do not love when issues cease working in addition to they as soon as did, however there’s a silver lining to it. As a result of after I take a look at the place I used to be at 12 months in the past, um, it nearly type of felt like issues have been a bit too simple. Prefer it was simply working by itself, which is absolutely cool.
On one hand, it is superior, however like, it is very easy to get complacent when issues simply work and you do not have to battle. And as issues have gotten tighter and tougher in numerous methods, it is type of like reinvigorated me a bit. It jogs my memory of like years in the past, and I used to be a lot earlier on this course of, like simply, I had this fireplace to make this work.
Like I actually needed this to occur. And it was wonderful when it did occur. So, it simply type of jogs my memory of these days a bit bit when it comes to like, uh, it is nearly extra thrilling in a means. So, it isn’t, it isn’t all dangerous. Um, and I believe in the end it’s going to most likely be. A greater particular person for it at any time when I do determine this out.
So, yeah,
Jared: it is fascinating too. I imply, I’ve interviewed individuals who have web sites and types within the journey house, for instance, they usually had a really related sharp uptick when the world type of reopened. Now they’d fairly the downturn in 2020 adopted by fairly the sharp uptick. And a whole lot of these manufacturers are possibly they’d say coming again all the way down to earth.
And it appears like Their model is has been on the decline for a 12 months or two However maybe a greater actuality is that it is simply going again to the place it at all times was Yeah, now that that increase is over and so there’s received to be some wholesome perspective there the place
Seth: yeah For positive
Jared: definitely the true property business was using excessive as many industries did popping out of covid um, and lots of industries Modified dramatically.
And that was a few, in that couple of 12 months interval, however you recognize, maybe you’ve landed again to the trajectory that you just have been at all times on and now it is reinvigorating you to take it to the subsequent stage of a real subsequent development section.
Seth: Yeah, for positive. Might be
Jared: a glass half full. So we all know the web site’s REtipster.
com the place else can folks comply with together with what you are doing? Some other locations that folks can go to study extra about you?
Seth: Sure. Should you’re on any social platform, for those who search for REtipster, You may most likely discover me there, uh, Fb, uh, X or LinkedIn or no matter. And, uh, landinvestingmasterclass. com. That is type of like the principle, uh, touchdown web page for the principle flagship product that I’ve talked about a number of occasions.
And, uh, additionally completely unrelated factor. I even have a child’s story podcast referred to as the story. Yeah, it is referred to as the Story Land Podcast, the place I simply make up youngsters tales and put sound results and music to them. Apparently. It is about 30 occasions extra fashionable than the REtipster podcast is. I am not stunned
Jared: in any respect.
I am not stunned.
Seth: Yeah. I get like 50, 000 downloads per week from it. It is loopy. And in addition, apparently, I’ve not made a single penny from it. As a result of once more, like we talked about, I am horrible at promoting stuff. However, uh, it is also a whole lot of enjoyable too.
Jared: That’s, that, my spouse’s a faculty counselor. She is going to most likely be your subsequent podcast I hope so.
She completely loves that type of stuff. That may be an entire separate podcast, I really feel like. For positive. Uh, that is cool, man, you dropped that on the very finish. We’re executed. I do know it is all proper. We’ll save that for one more day. Seth, thanks for approaching the area of interest proceeds podcast. You
Seth: wager
Jared: a lot continued success.
I admire every thing you’ve got shared. Thanks for approaching. Thanks,
Seth: Jared. Thanks. Nice to speak to you.
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